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	<title>Comments on: How to spend a £400 million Science budget</title>
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		<title>By: Duncan</title>
		<link>http://duncan.hull.name/2008/07/25/how-to-spend-a-400-million-science-budget/#comment-1477</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Duncan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Graham, Thanks. Yup, I was pleased to get comments from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Peter Suber&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stevan_Harnad&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Stevan Harnad&lt;/a&gt;. Looking forward to &lt;a href=&quot;http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/942826/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the conference&lt;/a&gt;, see you there...

As for &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.roguetory.org.uk/about/biography/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Paul Waring&lt;/a&gt;, don&#039;t blame him, he&#039;s a computer scientist. They don&#039;t &lt;i&gt;do&lt;/i&gt; Biology.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Graham, Thanks. Yup, I was pleased to get comments from <a href="http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/" rel="nofollow">Peter Suber</a> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stevan_Harnad" rel="nofollow">Stevan Harnad</a>. Looking forward to <a href="http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/942826/" rel="nofollow">the conference</a>, see you there&#8230;</p>
<p>As for <a href="http://www.roguetory.org.uk/about/biography/" rel="nofollow">Paul Waring</a>, don&#8217;t blame him, he&#8217;s a computer scientist. They don&#8217;t <i>do</i> Biology.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
		<link>http://duncan.hull.name/2008/07/25/how-to-spend-a-400-million-science-budget/#comment-1476</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Graham]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Paul - you hadn&#039;t heard of BMC? Blimey.

Hey Duncan,

Well done for attracting comments from Stevan and Peter.

See you at the Conference in two weeks and I&#039;ll certainly be supporting your suggestion for the un-conference session.

Cheers

Graham]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Paul &#8211; you hadn&#8217;t heard of BMC? Blimey.</p>
<p>Hey Duncan,</p>
<p>Well done for attracting comments from Stevan and Peter.</p>
<p>See you at the Conference in two weeks and I&#8217;ll certainly be supporting your suggestion for the un-conference session.</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
<p>Graham</p>
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		<title>By: Duncan</title>
		<link>http://duncan.hull.name/2008/07/25/how-to-spend-a-400-million-science-budget/#comment-1465</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Duncan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 09:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Paul, Heh! You cheeky b*gger, you got me there. &quot;Young&quot; is a relative term here, I&#039;m mean young as in newly-qualified-with-phd and younger than &quot;old&quot; professors like Doug...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Paul, Heh! You cheeky b*gger, you got me there. &#8220;Young&#8221; is a relative term here, I&#8217;m mean young as in newly-qualified-with-phd and younger than &#8220;old&#8221; professors like Doug&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Paul D</title>
		<link>http://duncan.hull.name/2008/07/25/how-to-spend-a-400-million-science-budget/#comment-1464</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul D]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 15:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think you got a bit carried with &quot;I am a young scientist&quot; though]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you got a bit carried with &#8220;I am a young scientist&#8221; though</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://duncan.hull.name/2008/07/25/how-to-spend-a-400-million-science-budget/#comment-1272</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[BioMedCentral is encouraging - I hadn&#039;t heard of that, hopefully other journals will consider following suit. I guess the University&#039;s institutional repository will be a step forward too - though I suspect I will be long gone by the time it comes to fruition!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BioMedCentral is encouraging &#8211; I hadn&#8217;t heard of that, hopefully other journals will consider following suit. I guess the University&#8217;s institutional repository will be a step forward too &#8211; though I suspect I will be long gone by the time it comes to fruition!</p>
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		<title>By: Duncan</title>
		<link>http://duncan.hull.name/2008/07/25/how-to-spend-a-400-million-science-budget/#comment-1270</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Duncan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Stevan thanks for your comments, I didn&#039;t fully appreciate the difference between green and gold open access.

@Peter Hopefully we can find out who is responsible for policing self-archiving in pubmedcentral for BBSRC funded research, I&#039;ll blog it if I find out

@Paul Open Access is taking off in the life sciences, http://www.biomedcentral.com is having lots of success with several of its journals, they automatically deposit author articles in public repositories like http://www.PubMedCentral.gov too - it this is left to the authors, they often tend not to bother (at the moment)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Stevan thanks for your comments, I didn&#8217;t fully appreciate the difference between green and gold open access.</p>
<p>@Peter Hopefully we can find out who is responsible for policing self-archiving in pubmedcentral for BBSRC funded research, I&#8217;ll blog it if I find out</p>
<p>@Paul Open Access is taking off in the life sciences, <a href="http://www.biomedcentral.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.biomedcentral.com</a> is having lots of success with several of its journals, they automatically deposit author articles in public repositories like <a href="http://www.PubMedCentral.gov" rel="nofollow">http://www.PubMedCentral.gov</a> too &#8211; it this is left to the authors, they often tend not to bother (at the moment)</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://duncan.hull.name/2008/07/25/how-to-spend-a-400-million-science-budget/#comment-1243</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 11:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know a great deal about biology, but I completely agree with you on firing closed access publications. I believe most, if not all, of the research councils in the UK have some sort of pro-open access policy, as does the Wellcome Trust - which commissioned two reports into the area that are well worth a read. Alas, the policies aren&#039;t really enforced at all - I&#039;ve read 150+ papers in various degrees of relatedness to my research and almost every one (with the exception of a few which were &#039;freebies&#039; offered by closed access journals) required me to prove that I/the University had purchased an extremely expensive subscription. Despite the buzz around open access, it still hasn&#039;t taken off yet, in the sciences or the humanities.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know a great deal about biology, but I completely agree with you on firing closed access publications. I believe most, if not all, of the research councils in the UK have some sort of pro-open access policy, as does the Wellcome Trust &#8211; which commissioned two reports into the area that are well worth a read. Alas, the policies aren&#8217;t really enforced at all &#8211; I&#8217;ve read 150+ papers in various degrees of relatedness to my research and almost every one (with the exception of a few which were &#8216;freebies&#8217; offered by closed access journals) required me to prove that I/the University had purchased an extremely expensive subscription. Despite the buzz around open access, it still hasn&#8217;t taken off yet, in the sciences or the humanities.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Suber</title>
		<link>http://duncan.hull.name/2008/07/25/how-to-spend-a-400-million-science-budget/#comment-1225</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter Suber]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 15:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The BBSRC has required open access for all BBSRC-funded research since October 1, 2006.

See the policy announcement from June 2006,
http://www.bbsrc.ac.uk/media/news/2006/060628_research_access.html

I don&#039;t know how effectively the policy has been implemented.  If you find out, I hope you&#039;ll blog what you find.

Best,
Peter]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The BBSRC has required open access for all BBSRC-funded research since October 1, 2006.</p>
<p>See the policy announcement from June 2006,<br />
<a href="http://www.bbsrc.ac.uk/media/news/2006/060628_research_access.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbsrc.ac.uk/media/news/2006/060628_research_access.html</a></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know how effectively the policy has been implemented.  If you find out, I hope you&#8217;ll blog what you find.</p>
<p>Best,<br />
Peter</p>
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		<title>By: Stevan Harnad</title>
		<link>http://duncan.hull.name/2008/07/25/how-to-spend-a-400-million-science-budget/#comment-1222</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stevan Harnad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 15:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[CORRECTING TYPOS IN ABOVE

To say &quot;I don’t care too much if it is green or gold. We need Open Access publishing now&quot; is to say &quot;I don’t care too much if it is green or gold. We need gold now.&quot; Gold OA is OA journal publishing. Green OA is the self-archiving, in OA repositories, of articles published in non-OA journals. The NIH mandates Green OA not Gold OA. Funders (and institutions) cannot, should not, and need not mandate where researchers publish -- just that they must make their articles OA, regardless of where they publish them, through green OA self-archiving. BBSRC too: &quot;all projects funded at BBSRC-sponsored institutes and starting from 1 October 2006, BBSRC will require a copy of any resulting published journal article or conference proceedings to be deposited, at the earliest opportunity, in an appropriate e-print repository, wherever such a repository is available.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CORRECTING TYPOS IN ABOVE</p>
<p>To say &#8220;I don’t care too much if it is green or gold. We need Open Access publishing now&#8221; is to say &#8220;I don’t care too much if it is green or gold. We need gold now.&#8221; Gold OA is OA journal publishing. Green OA is the self-archiving, in OA repositories, of articles published in non-OA journals. The NIH mandates Green OA not Gold OA. Funders (and institutions) cannot, should not, and need not mandate where researchers publish &#8212; just that they must make their articles OA, regardless of where they publish them, through green OA self-archiving. BBSRC too: &#8220;all projects funded at BBSRC-sponsored institutes and starting from 1 October 2006, BBSRC will require a copy of any resulting published journal article or conference proceedings to be deposited, at the earliest opportunity, in an appropriate e-print repository, wherever such a repository is available.&#8221;</p>
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